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    Map:Racetracks: Mosport (full)
    End Time: February 11 2015, 1:53am
    Physics Mode: Default
    Race Name:Tuesday night screamer
    popstarron I miss Cathy802.February 10 2015, 8:54pm
    Roy Thomas thanks guys it was fun Phill .we rode well ..Cheers ..anythime you want my wheel :) just not 500 ft to finish lol February 10 2015, 9:01pm
    Justin Rogers Use a power meter and you won't be anywhere near the front at the finish bahahaha!!February 10 2015, 9:20pm
    Rider X Art, is there really that big a discrepancy between the power meter and the speed/cadence sensor set ups, as claimed by Phil, Shane, Justin et al.? If that is the case, then how do you account for the discrepancies in power readings between different power meter brands and systems?February 10 2015, 9:27pm
    Roy Thomas here is what I think .I'll be where I trained to be ..front back .or gutter ball !!.if I'm not doing good I look to improve :) back to am training guysFebruary 10 2015, 9:37pm
    Justin Rogers Rider X- yes, sensors give 45-50w. I've done both at once and its funny. All power meters will read differently. There is no way to account for them unless you could adjust slope on them all to be the same and that can't happen. February 10 2015, 9:43pm
    Justin Rogers Roy, its all good dude. Its just funny. At least attempt to get your power in range of where you think it is. 4.77w/kg tonight though? Can you borrow a power meter for a night to see where you really are? February 10 2015, 9:46pm
    Justin Rogers I can lend you a kickr to try out if you like Roy? February 10 2015, 9:47pm
    wheelzQC Roy no chance I could take a pull, even in the hills. I hit pretty much the same number with drafting 100% of the time... 430w on the flats is killer. As for speed sensors, what if you tighten the trainer roller, wouldn't that lower the power curve? @RiderX what did I claim?? he he... Good job Mattv for chasing back, it's not the same when I don't see you go for that early break. As always good job everyone, money in the bank. thanks for the ride.February 10 2015, 9:49pm
    gwoity I concur with justin rogers, I ran my speed cadence sensor and power meter using 2 different players in tdg and they were about 30 watts off. maybe a little less if I really cranked the tenson down.February 10 2015, 9:53pm
    popstarron I can manage 4 to 5 w/kg going up hill with my CT. But my numbers nose dive going down. What is everyone cranking out on the decents?February 10 2015, 9:54pm
    Tys3 Mattv; considering you gave me a 30s lead (and a 10-15s bonus when you kicked out for a bit), I'll happily concede 3rd to you!!February 10 2015, 9:56pm
    Rider X Alright, if it's unanimous concerning the speed/cadence 40 to 30 watts advantage, then couldn't Art adjust for that discrepancy in the game to even things out? I think all of us are interested in as accurate a simulation of real life conditions as possible; I don't wish to be ahead of someone else on bogus readings. I don't have a power meter because I don't race anymore, I can't justify the expense, and I don't really know how to effectively use one. Besides, when someone is ahead of me and stays ahead, I don't need a power meter to know that that rider has more power or, at the very least , is able and willing to suffer more than I am. By the way, I tighten down my Road Machine as tightly as I am able, such that I do not get any perceivable slippage.February 10 2015, 10:28pm
    MattVon Ha, thanks for he honorary 3rd!! The gremlins bit me hard this race.. I had to reconnect twice at the start., then I dropped out later (my fault, I hit the esc. key) I see my drafting percentage was 2%!! It was like crashing on the first lap and chasing the entire race.... Good training... I actually felt really strong tonight.February 10 2015, 10:30pm
    litespeedmarc_CT Feelling rough tonight. Power seems to be down lately. Fortunately, had a "Helpy" best friend tonight. No matter how slow I went he was always there helping me, until 5k to go then he dropped me!February 10 2015, 10:37pm
    Justin Rogers RiderX- Nope. To many veriables, air preassure, resistance unit presure. Guys need to just be honest. Best way is to borrow a power tap to "calibrate". Count the turns to the resistance unit and put the same amount of preasure you had when you were the same wattage on both in the game.. February 10 2015, 10:38pm
    Rider X @ Justin, Well tire air pressure I do control. Before every ride, I inflate to 115 psi (Michelin Pro Race 3 width 23mm). I'll see about borrowing a power tap and test your assertion. I think most guys are honest. Many may just not understand what to do with all the technology that is available. Thanks. February 10 2015, 10:51pm
    MattVon @lightspeed. Yeah, getting dropped by a helpy has to be demoralizing! I like they way the sprint now, but they should sprint for the finish too!February 10 2015, 10:53pm
    Moodog Yes that was a great ride as I was redlining going up a hill I accidently hit the escape button on the keyboard and then lowered my weight 20 kg when I came back on I felt great. Thanks for the great ride guys February 10 2015, 11:02pm
    Stella11 i need an escape button on my real bike ! ! that's awesome February 10 2015, 11:04pm
    Justin Rogers Riderx- yup, I think you are right. MOST are. At the end of the day I just preend the others arent there ;-)February 10 2015, 11:05pm
    Rider X I don't know Roy personally, but I bet that he'd be at the business end of the race regardless of what set up he was using. @Roy, do you have access to a power meter, Kickr or Computrainer set up for a Tuesday night race? It would be interesting to see what results it would yield for you. @Moodog, glad you're back and bantering as usual!February 10 2015, 11:34pm
    Roy Thomas I'm on it ..before I race on tusday night I'll ve a have power meter didn't know that is the only way to get respect for winsFebruary 10 2015, 11:47pm
    MellowJohnny The Compu Trainers and KICKR units are load resistance units... meaning they simulate the actually grade that you would be riding. The units like the Kurt Kinetic I ride do not... it's essentially like splitting an atom to go above 7W per kG on a flywheel non resistance unit. I need to be around 48kph where outdoors or on a LOADED unit I can easily at 10% if that's what we are riding at the time online I can do by standing in the 39-17. POWER METERS help but by no means does it level the experience out. Only way to do that is have everyone weighed and on a calibrated exact trainer!February 11 2015, 12:08am
    MellowJohnny Also- In MASS start events POWER via W/KG means nothing.... if your actualy a coy rider your overall W/kg would be very low save for the few minutes you sealed the deal.February 11 2015, 12:12am
    arthare We're not re-doing all the s/c readings. On a kurt they should be quite close - I've ridden on my PT the same time as a S/C on a kurt and it usually matches within a couple W. Make sure you clamp them down quite tight, keep your tire pressure at about 100psi, and so on. If we shuffled everything down 30W, there might be people doing actual workouts that go too hard because their new 200W requires 230W of bodily effort instead of the 200W it took last week.February 11 2015, 7:10am
    arthare What we found when calibrating them (and I admit some of them probably read high) was that the manufacturer clamping settings were _very_ strongly clamped. You should be able to roughly yank your wheel back and forth without it slipping at all.February 11 2015, 7:11am
    popstarron Boy I'm glad I'm not complicating my life further with more than one trainer. There is always someone first and someone last. But everyone always benefits. Can't wait to get on the road and realy test for any gains. Thank goodness for TDG in our tool box. A team mate once said to me we race because it externalities our conflicts. For that brief time we take all our conflicts and turn them into tangible goals that we can strive towards. Damn phylosofer racers. 9February 11 2015, 7:49am
    Roy Thomas good one art and pops.art let's all race fare tight wheel lose legs and hammer :)February 11 2015, 8:05am
    bdebray I was using a set of Vector for about a week and found some discrepancies with my Kurt but not 50w. Then again, I do have the resistance wheel and QR clamps quite tight. I simply adjusted my weight by 6kg to offset what I thought was an FTP that was too high. Rides/races are much more fun now.February 11 2015, 8:08am
    popstarron Damn auto correct too. Just saw my typos.February 11 2015, 8:19am
    Justin Rogers Art- if you clamp the wheel down 3 turns less than last night you will get a different number. All MUST be consistant. You have done the homework to know how to get the sensor calibrated. Problem is others dont know they need to. Maybe a FAQ page with instuctions for different units is needed.February 11 2015, 8:37am
    MattVon Please, everyone just get a Kickr so we can stop this madness ;)February 11 2015, 9:10am
    wheelzQC I looked up the cost price for those beast, even that is high. Good thing is it looks like a long term machine. I'm waiting for Inside Ride to come out with their ant+ device.February 11 2015, 9:17am
    arthare Wouldn't be so fast about the kickr, unless you also require everyone to get a SRM/Quarq to verify its wattage reading: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=5396505;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unreadFebruary 11 2015, 9:41am
    arthare Which, btw, appears to be wahoo's solution to the kickr drifting and/or reading high during erg mode. Mine definitely reads high, but it seems to consistently read high so I'm not too offended.February 11 2015, 9:43am
    Moodog GUYS, Don't normally do this but i have 5 new complete computrainer systems for sale. With everything including stand. I am in guelph and will let them go for $1000.00 each. They are close to $1800 us. You can even try one if you dare...647-299-0347February 11 2015, 9:43am
    MattVon yeah, they don't give them away, that's for sure. Will the Inside Ride rollers do slope control too?February 11 2015, 9:46am
    arthare As for a FAQ, I'll see about putting it some clamping advice in the game itself when they select s/c or powercurve devices.February 11 2015, 9:50am
    arthare A little birdy told me that the resistance-controlled inside-ride rollers already work with TdG if you set them up as a kickr...February 11 2015, 9:50am
    MattVon Wahoo does appear to have some quality control issues. I'm just wary about using anecdotal experiences (read internet) because people just post problems usually. Nothing is perfect. My main like for the Kickr is that it is smooth and I don't have tire wear slippage. February 11 2015, 9:53am
    wheelzQC Yes they will control the slope. I have a friend who is beta testing the unit and tried it on TDG. He told me it worked.February 11 2015, 9:53am
    MattVon Hmmm....Maybe I'll get some IR rollers when the Ant+ is released. February 11 2015, 9:56am
    Justin Rogers February 11 2015, 10:22am
    Justin Rogers Not sure you can use forums with random people popping opinion. Mostly you get people who don't under the unit complaining. But lots to support both. http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wahoo._Kickr_vs._Computrainer_P4879225/February 11 2015, 10:25am
    Justin Rogers http://bikrutz.org/triblog/?p=1531February 11 2015, 10:25am
    Justin Rogers http://www.cyclingforums.com/t/83978/computrainer-accuracyFebruary 11 2015, 10:31am
    arthare Yep, there's lots for both. When I rode CT and PT at same time, the CT would start a couple watts low, and gradually end up about 5W above the PT by the end of the ride. Plus that time my tire popped earlier this winter in a final sprint against Sam :(February 11 2015, 10:41am
    wheelzQC Better on the trainer then on the road Art :)February 11 2015, 10:47am
    MattVon I just want to be like Phil...February 11 2015, 11:01am
    MattVon Art- I would lobby for adding a multi-keypress command to exit the race vs. the esc key for fat fingers like me....February 11 2015, 11:09am
    MaxPayne I think the solution would b to make this an ftp race.February 11 2015, 11:21am
    Justin Rogers A flat on the trainer bahahah, that's classic!! February 11 2015, 11:31am
    MattVon Maybe a Thursday FTP race... (the last FTP race I rode was brutal. I got dropped in first mile. I assume this is because I have a reasonable FTP history??)February 11 2015, 11:35am
    Justin Rogers Don't even get me started on the FTP races MaxPayne hehe....Those are soooooo out!February 11 2015, 11:37am
    Roy Thomas not everyone can or will invest in the tools to make it fare if there is a way to make it even for all that would be nice $ for power meater 1000 for compu trainer lol it as up quick ! FTP would that clean up all the units ?? ..in the end its all a tool to have fun and enjoy ..February 11 2015, 11:39am
    arthare FTP rides would indeed make all people comparable. Some people dislike them because they tend to get won be newbies or rapidly-improving people. If you have a well-established fairly-high FTP, you can't improve on it each ride, which means people that _can_ will tend to win FTP rides. Feel free to schedule either, I enjoy the FTP rides way more.February 11 2015, 11:51am
    MattVon Maybe I was having a bad day, but the last FTP ride I did was impossible. I was going 100% right from the start just to stay in contact with the last rider.February 11 2015, 12:01pm
    popstarron I'very flated also. Not with trainer specific tires though. I like bringing newbies out of the closet with FTP races, even though I usually get a whuppin.February 11 2015, 12:05pm
    Roy Thomas based on comets on the variables on all units ..im going to continue with my indoor training program .my training mostly is solo .if im on here my wheel is tight .get a power meter for out side in spring February 11 2015, 12:07pm
    arthare What I find is that the lead pack in hour-long FTP rides paces very badly at the start (110-115%), but in all the big ones I've done to completion, they fade hard and get caught by the smarter pacers. The key is to convince yourself of that and stay in the smart pack.February 11 2015, 12:11pm
    Moodog You guys sound like a bunch of old guys in the shower staring at each others Penis... This is a computer program not the tour de france,,,Who cares if you win or lose, who cares about really anything. Put in a solid effort and have fun...February 11 2015, 12:29pm
    Moodog Funny thing is nothing changes when I cheat or ride full weight. MY effort is the same FULL GASS. The only thing that does change is where i finish and how long it takes me in time to finish.February 11 2015, 12:31pm
    Moodog If you want to compare against other riders join a club that has 8 computrainers set them all up correctly and race. Other than that get on your bike with what ever gear you can afford and ride.February 11 2015, 12:34pm
    Moodog Sorry one last thing. I bet I could kick all your skinny asses......lolFebruary 11 2015, 12:36pm
    wheelzQC @Mattvon, not right now... I have the cell close to me, the wife will give birth any day now. Happy to pile that last Tuesday. I told her not to do it on a Tuesday. Wednsdays are prefect.February 11 2015, 12:46pm
    Moodog @mattvon why would you ride with a Keyboard in your hand. I have a hard enough time holding on to the bars. Hitting the esc button is fishy, as this is how i cheat. hmmmm..i would need a waterproof one for sure.February 11 2015, 1:08pm
    MellowJohnny if you go ftp just make it a non draft TTFebruary 11 2015, 2:59pm
    MattVon @Moodog, I use the keyboard to chat and to shift the 1st person perspective (zoom in/out) . I like TDG because it is competition, I have spent many thousands of hours of my life riding on trainers by myself - this has finally made winter training fun and motivating....February 11 2015, 3:52pm
    Moodog if you can do that your not riding hard enough....put your weight up to 89 kg and calibrate the trainer...lolFebruary 11 2015, 6:19pm
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